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Click hereSo, I stand before you today, first apologizing for monopolizing the whole time tonight, and second to ask you how I can get past my mental block and start making love to my wife again, instead of "just having sex."
The Serenity Prayer taught me that I can't change the fact that she cheated on me, but I can change the present situation, if I can just figure out how, and then have the courage to make it happen. The courage to become vulnerable again.
Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.
Thank you for listening.
He loves her but is not in love with her any more. The marriage meets all of his personal needs except for sex. He can get sexual relief by masturbation. Unless the wife loves sex and does not use it as a means to control her husband, often masturbation can be much more pleasurable than sex. Sex is the physical aspect of love. Without love, sex is just getting your rocks off.
If he truly loves his wife it seems very doubtful that he's not actually making love to her at times and just doesn't realize it? Emotions happen. Still... 5 strong stars because the author has started a legitimate conversation.
Great story, but England = the World Cup final, Manchester United = Champions League final.
Vulnerability raw honest. Painful confession. I really don't understand how therapeutic confession is, especially when the follow up is supposed to lead toward acceptance and then forgiveness. (Tough pill to swallow?)
Now there’s a MC who should be respected for remaining true to his personal beliefs but this has basically destroyed any chance for real happiness!! A truly tough decision! Counselling may have helped but it would have been hard work and for a very long time and then still might not have helped to move him to a better mind set!!
Agree with prior commenter. Stop beating yourself up. If you want to forgive and move on or reconcile, your choice, but just do it. Or don't forgive and just move on. Staying in purgatory is really bad for his psyche.
He's still punishing himself for something she did. Wasting his years with a cheating slut instead of getting out there and finding someone worthy of his love. Silly man.
No mental block the cheating cunt just doesnt do it for him anymore. Divorce her shes too old to have kids so get a younger model.
The first two chapters brilliantly illustrate what the author gave us this story.
The Hoary Cleric
Ditto oldwit.
Most here will complain that he started with her. I'm truth, up percent or more of marriages with indoor discovered start together and 89 percent of divorce sure to infidelity have the affected party regretting the decision. Yeah... Surprised me too. So while we're here for fantasy I guess this is a pretty realistic look at what happens... Which is depressing in a way but still a good read to me in it's own way ..
You did give side insights that fixed some of the issues I saw in the first one too.
The way to get past this is simple: “disappear” the slut, and find a better woman!
ZK
I know that a lot of this part is just a rehash of part 1 but I think it adds to the realism of this “ story “ ?
There is something that bothers me reading a lot of stories on here , why do all the men who have been done wrong, leave the master bedroom, if that was me I’d be moving her into the spare or second bedroom! I as the aggrieved party wouldn’t be taking second best again at home, my home.
It just doesn’t make sense that he can still “truly love” his wife, but continue to just “have sex” with her and not “make love”.
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Especially as his wife, presumably, has provided him every indication of true remorse, AND every indication that she truly loves him.
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It would be more understandable if, even if he loves her, just can’t have sex with her because of her infidelity.
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And what of her? In Chapter 1, she indicated full awareness that he was just fucking her. How can she be OK with that for 8 fricking years?
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Look…decently written, but the plot key just doesn’t compute.
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3 ***
What so bad absolutely about actually having a heart and truly loving someone, it's that the other person may be a worthless piece of crap!
I guess you chosen your name correctly, cause your writings are catastrophes....
It's simple get a spouse that feels the same way about sex as you do. Dump the one you have.
Didn't see the point in this chapter. Why has Kurt opted for attending a support group, does anything like this exist in the real? He would have been better off seeing a marriage counsellor. His reason for not going for a divorce is the financial penalty he would face but unless he really wanted to reconcile isn't he just putting off the inevitable. He's risking Deborah filing for a divorce.
The main problem with this story and the story premise is that they are not talking or seeing a counsellor therefore divorce would be inevitable.
Also doesn't make sense why Kurt didn't confront Deborah and John at the motel. He had the evidence he needed. In the real the husband would have screamed at the door of the motel room and had the confrontation. When authors ignore what would happen in the real in their stories they spoil the story because the reader sits back and says that wouldn't happen in the real world. Fantasy has to make sense. Kurt's lack of reaction at the motel doesn't make sense.
If you think about it, Kurt is American so him(Kurt) making an error such may be “right” in the story. An American WOULD make such an error, even calling it “soccer”. So think of it as the author writing in American thought/understanding. It’s as if he were writing with an accent, or horrible grammar, but meant the character “speaking” in his own dialect such as Brooklyn accent (fo-ged-aboud-it), or the deep south.
Get The Divorce You will be happier .. The more you put into the 401 is more for her to get half of .. I Really did not like this Story .
Because you're from the US you wouldn't understand the football scene too well. the World cup is self explanatory, it involves all the different countries football (soccer to you) teams (US included).
Manchester United is a team within the UK, their like the New England Patriots.
Other than that great story
Interesting, the marriage is 18yrs old and no kids? Why stay married - just for the monetary saving since he claims he loves her but has no emotional attachment - what a shitty life!
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4*, hooyah.
Never knew there was an Infidelity Anonymous. I looked and there actually is.
It’s a good, solid storyline. I like that the path chosen isn’t RAAC or BTB, despite how those themes can be highly entertaining. I understand where Kurt is coming from. I don’t quite understand why his wife didn’t cheat again,, or seek divorce herself, after it was clear that Kurt was holding to sex-without-emotion. In part 1 she was pretty clear that she knew what she was missing. 8 years is longer than a lot of felony sentences.
Hi, this is not a criticism merely an observation. You write well and I enjoy reading your work but part two above is basically a re-write of part one and other than forming the question posed in the last few lines doesn’t move us along. The only suggestion which I don’t believe is correct is that you are hoping for some advice on how to finish your story.
Me I will tell you what I did when I saw that happen with my wife.
She always worked late Mondays and had since I first met her. She worked for a trucking company as a load planner and had to check the loads to ensure they matched the plan. The load heading up the west coast of Western Australia left Monday night and was the last trucks loaded that is why she worked late.
Anyway I finished work at 2PM on the Monday in question and decided to do something for my wife and bring her her favourite meal for tea. I picked up the takeaway Mexican and headed to her place of work. I saw her leaving and thought WTF and followed her to the Pub she used to stop at.
I went inside and saw her being very friendly with her ex boyfriend. He worked for a different trucking company and did the West Coast run for them and left Tuesday morning about 2AM.
I watched for about an hour then followed them when they left together. They went to a room in the motel attached to the hotel.
Giving them about 10 minutes to start I knocked on the door to their room and was told to "fuck off". I again knocked on the door and was told to "fuck off we're busy". I again knocked on the door and got the response "I am going to kill the cunt at the door"
When he opened the door my fist slammed into his face shattering his nose a fracturing his eye socket. I then pushed him back into the room to confront the bitch. Needless to say she was shocked. Especially after her supposedly weak as piss husband proceeded to beat her boy friend badly. I left him whimpering on the floor of the room. He was unable to do his run that week or for the next 3.
I left the room and went home. She turned up 3 days later telling me she was pregnant (yes she was and it was mine) so we reconciled and stayed together for 24 years till she left as she still loved her ex.
you will rue the day cause' i will become a wimp and take u back and suck his cum from your cum............................dissssssssssssssssappointed
I loved it as I agree 100%. It is extremely hard to get back to where you were especially when she was so callous and non chant about the sex. It makes him feel in some way inadequate. He was the wallet and not the full equal partner in love and passion.
I also agree with the "cheeper to keep her" plan. Why lose everything?
I don't agree with his not taking up with someone else. Not that it would be revenge sex but it would be more so "she can do it so can I". If it hurts her then so be it. She hurt him.
As for sex with her, if I could or would, it would be condoms only. Who knows what she caught or what she was continuing to do and also it is a constant reminder to her of what she lost. She is now "just sex" as she had said to him.
I enjoyed that. Cheating is supposed to be hard and I think that for many it is, at least at first. Healing is hard for everyone and takes far longer.
Reading Ch. 1 is a must to understand what the author is asking.
In Ch. 1, it became apparent that Deborah was truly sorry for what she did. She would do anything to revive their marriage.
Kurt was mortally wounded by her infidelity. If it wasn’t for the divorce laws the marriage would have ended 8 years ago. But Kurt was going to lose so much financially that he decided to simply cohabitate with her.
Unwittingly, Deborah compounded her cheating by trying to use the excuse that “it was only sex”. By so doing she trivialized a fundamental belief that Kurt held about his marriage. Sex was more than a physical act. It was one of the foundations of marriage. The pledging of exclusivity, fidelity, trust, and support through a physical and emotional bonding.
She became angry at him for telling her lover’s wife about the affair especially since two small children were involved. Kurt interpreted her reaction as though her lover’s marriage was more important than her own.
Finally Kurt behaved in ways so as to appear he was having affairs claiming that his wife decided to have an open marriage. Deborah was deeply hurt and humiliated by his actions while she was trying desperately to repair the damage she had caused.
So the cohabitating continued for 8 years. Superficially they appear to be back to a loving couple but both realize that their love life has become nothing more that satisfying their physical needs.
Deborah desperately wants Kurt to “make love” to her instead of just coupling. Kurt can’t bring himself to trust her especially since he is convinced that sex to her is nothing more than animal lust. No emotional bonding is required to satisfy her. It’s just an indoor sport. Anybody can do it. And there are probably a lot of guys who could satisfy his wife better than he can. Hadn’t she proved that?
It isn’t just Kurt that’s asking how to revive the intimacy in their marriage. Deborah, too, is fully aware of what is missing.
The author has made the readers members of Infidelity Anonymous sitting in the audience listing to Kurt.
Kurt has finished his story and asks our guidance.
My first response would be: there is only one person who can answer your question and she’s not in the room tonight, your wife.
Have you asked your wife to attend our meeting?
Do you think she might be interested in what you told us? Have you shared it with her?
Maybe she might like the chance to give her perspective on the situation.
Perhaps she could attend separately for the sake of privacy. Members of IA swear confidentiality to all members who chose to share their story.
Do have someone who you both trust and is qualified to act as a counselor e.g. a professional, a trained clergy, a trusted friend or family member?
Don’t you think that after 8 years of trying on your own, it’s time to seek qualified professional help?
but a stupid way to punish someone you still love. Staying "married" while living in a dead marriage, that may be a perfect way to punish someone you still love. She gave up her marriage vows to experience no holds barred animal fucking. Now she gets all the animal fucking she wants, but nothing more.
She has the option to demonstrate true remorse, regret, contrition, and make restitution. I'm surprised you had not thought of it. The wife needs to file for divorce, and leave the marriage with little or nothing. Its not like she's losing anything emotional or sentimental. The marriage was ended the day she started fucking around. The only reason he stayed in the marriage was financial. If she really loves him she should allow him to leave without the financial penalty.
After that act all sorts of possibilities, as well as grim realities, are opened. She should give him a year, maybe two, to find a better woman. She should pledge her fidelity for that year or two. If after that time he is not in a serious committed relationship she should initiate a new relationship with him. Not a do over, but a new start, with a fresh beginning. Maybe they click a second time, maybe they don't. But at least she will have truly done everything she can to give them a clean start. And she should make it clear if there's a second chance: no fucking. If its not love, its not happening.
Just an idea.
Thanks for a thought provoking story. It should still be in the Loving Wives category.
I'm sure it was intentional, and I'm sure it's was not just me, but as the story started I thought that it was Deb attending the meeting, right up to the point when the narrator asked "Kurt" to speak. Little more light was poured onto the story, basically a re-hash of what we already knew, except he claim not to have had sex with any of the other women. That disappointed me, I thought he should have, at least a couple of them. I didn't want to see a dynamic develop, where if they did the RAAC route, she would have the satisfaction that her hurt had been contrived.
In an aftermath like that he would still have visions of her screwing John, but she would get away without suffering that hurt.
I agree with others that this one did not resolve the issue and needs a conclusion, albeit divorce or maybe she realizes he sets him up with the widow for the same amount of time that she cheated. That way the forgiveness would not be one-sided and maybe lead to loving again.
Anyway, we need a third chapter.